I have come very late to the field of South Asian studies in my college career (prior to Prof. Haqqani's arrival at the university, I don't believe anyone was really teaching any courses specifically related to either India or Pakistan, which is kind of unbelievable when you think about it.. I think European and Russian studies are still a little over-represented in our IR department right now, but hey, to each his own turf).
The more I learn the more interested I am in the region, so it's interesting when my studies to date, which have mostly focused on China and East Asia, overlap — as they did in my Uyghur paper and as they do in these articles about recently increased Sino-Pakistani cooperation here, here, and here (all coinciding with a visit by Pakistani PM Shaukat Aziz to Beijing and Shanghai) which recieved little attention in the U.S. press (even though Hu's diplomatic efforts in Latin America, East Asia, and Africa have caught a good bit of notice as China becomes increasingly assertive) but which look to have been a big deal in Dawn, the establishment newspaper of Pakistan.
It's my understanding that the military alliance between Pakistan and China actually dates back several decades — I think Steven Cohen's The Idea of Pakistan may cover it somewhat, but does anyone have a recommendation for a book specifically on Sino-Pakistani relations, military or otherwise? — since you have the whole border war between India and China from the 60s as well as the Sino-Soviet split playing out there. I believe Cohen makes the point that in the absence of real committed American support, Pakistan has frequently turned towards other regional powers such as China, especially after the Bangladesh crisis and when we departed after the Afghan jihad in the 1980s. Since Pakistan under Musharaff post-9/11 has been shedding most of its overt support for the training of Islamic guerrillas in the Kashmir region (which China had previously complained was bleeding over into Xinjiang and riling up the Uyghurs) and since China is content to participate in the war on terror to the extent that it legitimizes its own moves in Central Asia, increased cooperation between the two countries is not surprising now.
With that in mind, Timothy Dunlop's relating of the reaction of Indian officials (via Drum and Pandagon) to a visiting U.S. Congressional delegation — "We consider ourselves as in competition with China for leadership in the new century. That's our focus and frankly, you have made it very difficult for us to deal with you." — strikes me as very interesting indeed. TJ in Pandagon comments has CIA factbook figures for India, China, and the US that suggest to him India may actually be the most dynamic of the three major powers for the future. I don't know anything about the Indian economy to judge whether that's true or not, but China certainly has its share of structural problems yet to be confronted for the future. Right now the U.S. is engaging both the Chinese and the Pakistani regimes, but it's not clear to me to what extent (since the Bush administration hasn't made much of a priority of anything besides a professed commitment to counter-terrorism) or how long that will last (since American relations with Pakistan have generally been utilitarian and limited, and its as yet unclear how deep our cooperation is outside the current hunt for Al Qaeda — one reason Pakistan should be in no rush to deliver, by the way). I really don't think we want to see some sort of Sino-Pakistani vs. India-American face-off in South Asia at any point in the future, but India's dismissal of American efforts is not a particularly encouraging sign either, since with its current political and economic ties (of varying degrees of strength) to all major parties in the region the U.S. would presumably be in the best position to uphold a peaceful status quo between them.
And to conclude this bout of semi-informed speculation, let me just add that if I were an apocalyptic science fiction writer these days, I would totally start it all off with Kashmir.
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A South Asian Century?
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MC MasterChef
at 03:37PM (EST) on December 20, 2004 | Permanent Link
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Re: A South Asian Century?
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praktike
on Mon 20 Dec 2004 03:42 PM EST | Profile | Permanent Link
China was very much involved in producing weapons (fake AKs, mostly) for the Afghan jihad. I think that's also when Israel really started getting involved in selling technology quasi-illegally to the Chinese as well. I would hope that the U.S. finds a way to get India to stop buying Russian weaponry and buy U.S. stuff instead.
Did you see this? Re: Re: A South Asian Century?
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MC MasterChef
on Mon 20 Dec 2004 03:52 PM EST | Profile | Permanent Link
I remember mentions in Ghost Wars and Charlie Wilson's War about getting arms shipments from the Chinese, yeah, but I wasn't clear on how close the relationship might've been outside of weapons sales (China didn't do anything to help over Bangladesh either). I'll have to ask Haqqani if there's anything definitive out there written on the subject.
Missed the Mualana piece while plowing through the past few days of posts missed due to finals. Swell. Re: A South Asian Century?
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JC
on Mon 20 Dec 2004 07:34 PM EST | Profile | Permanent Link
One of the biggest things we take for granted in the US is infrastructure (roads, bridges), and the basics - food, sanitation, water.
The above is the main issue in India, I believe, or at least it was when I was there last. Bangalore, as well as parts of Pune, Bombay, New Delhi, are islands of modernization in a sea of comprehensive lack of infrastructure. There is also the issue facing any modernizing country - too many people chasing too few resources - but having a modern physical infrastructure seemed what was most lacking, to me. It's funny too - in a sense the whole of the last 100 years are both do's and dont's on how to create a 20th century infrastructure - it doesn't seem as if it is rocket science, and clearly a lot of Indians I have met were very very smart. Does anyone have any links on how the main "sticking points" on how to fund successful infrastructure? I've taken it for granted for so long, but clearly early 20th century, there must have been tremendous public investment in the US modern network of roads. Same thing with Japan and the European countries after WWII. Same thing with "The 4 tigers", of the Southeast Asian countries in the late 70's, 80's. Parts of China now have the modern infrastructure. Are there any blogs, sites, on what it takes to create a workable infrastructure for a country? (Forgive my ignorance on this topic - it's an issue of the fish not seeing or knowing anything about the ocean he takes for granted.) Re: Re: A South Asian Century?
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MC MasterChef
on Mon 20 Dec 2004 09:55 PM EST | Profile | Permanent Link
From what I remember from my Political Geography course two years ago (sadly, a pretty wasted opportunity outside this one particular point, since mostly all we ever talked about was This Particular Random Political Geographer's definition of "geopolitics" was blah, whereas this one said..) a lot of India's infrastructure problems — as in Africa, Asia, and elsewhere — are part of the legacy of colonialism, where things like rail lines did not evolve naturally but were built by the British for the express purpose of resource extraction from the interior to the coastal ports, which ended up seriously warping the patterns of internal trade and migration. But other than that I know nothing, so yeah, I'd be curious to know if there are blogs covering this topic too.
Info on infrastructure and India
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nadezhda
on Mon 20 Dec 2004 11:43 PM EST | Profile | Permanent Link
I'm not aware of anyone blogging on infrastructure per se, although I'm sure they're out there. There are some blogs that focus on development and development economics, though they probably mostly attract people in the development business since you kinda have to know what some of the debates are about to appreciate the remarks. But in the main blogroll in the left sidebar you'll see Adam Smithee, which is one of my favorites.
If you want to jump right in, the easiest place to start (in terms of having gobs of materials on just about every topic) is the World Bank Group's site. A couple of places to look at to begin. First is the Infrastructure Home page. You'll see that there are lots of different pieces to "infrastructure." Each major piece has a sub-site (and sometimes several) of its own. So you can wander around Water& Sanitation, Urban, Energy, Info & Commun Tech, Transport, etc. We all know that the demand for infrastructure far outstrips the ablity of the public sector to finance all of it, even with the help of international finance organizations like the World Bank (and its private sector finance affiliate IFC). There are also demonstrable efficiency gains from turing operation of some of this stuff over to the private sector (or at least organizations that have some profit-making-type incentives and disciplines). An enormous amount of work has been done over the past two decades on the private provision of infrastructure and infrastructure financing. People have finally figured out that it's not an all-or-non public vs private but that lots of different types of combos can work, and lots can fail miserably. The World Bank is one of the top places in the world where these types of projects are actually done, and where that knowledge and experience is collected. And they're always reviewing new cases from experience, dreaming up new models, etc. You'll find a great deal of that on the various Infrastructure sub-sites. But also go look at the Private Sector Development section of the World Bank site, especially the "Rapid Response" knowledge resources section. The Rapid Response group has recently pulled together "privatization toolkits" for various infrastructure sectors as well as some of the main issues that policymakers need to know about in designing participation of private firms in infrastructure. There's also stuff to be found under the World Bank's overall "Research" category. It's an enormously complex institution, and navigating its website isn't always the most intuitive or transparent process. If you need some further advice, drop me an email. As for India, I pay most attention to developments on the financing side of the matter. On a grab-bag blog I maintain to collect odds & bods (nadya's basket) I just last week posted an article I found, with a few comments, on possible development of a municipal bond market in India to help tackle the infrastructure financing deficit. It's not a full blown analysis, but it's suggestive of some themes that are interesting, especially in considering the relative advantages and disadvatages of both India and China in the coming decade. I've got a bunch of musings on China's financial sector challenges I should try to put in a post someday soon. Maybe this will give me the kick in the pants I need. Hope this helps -- let me know if you want more info or need some clarification. Re: Info on infrastructure and India
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JC
on Tue 21 Dec 2004 01:16 PM EST | Profile | Permanent Link
Wow - thanks for the information!
It's good for me to have a basic understanding of this type of stuff - like economics, not my forte, but something any "well-informed citizen" should have a basic understanding of... Re: Re: Info on infrastructure and India
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nadezhda
on Tue 21 Dec 2004 01:35 PM EST | Profile | Permanent Link
Yep, like econ, it's necessary to have a basic knowledge, if for no other reason, than as self-defense. I've found it essential. When someone yammers on as if they know what they're talking about, you can at least tell whether it makes any sense or not and sling back at them a few terms and examples of your own, just so they don't get too carried away.
Re: A South Asian Century?
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Nitin Pai
on Mon 20 Dec 2004 10:16 PM EST | Profile | Permanent Link
There already is an apocalyptic science fiction writer who has done that; Humphrey Hawksley of the BBC. That book is titled The Third World War. This book, strangely, is not available in the United States.
Cool
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MC MasterChef
on Tue 21 Dec 2004 05:29 PM EST | Profile | Permanent Link
I have a terrible weakness for the genre, and given the situation I woul'dve been surprised if no one had tapped it for inspiration before now.
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